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George Zimmerman\Carpenter, Sr.
1725–1778
✦ direct ancestor — Owen's 6×-great-grandfather · Carpenter line appears 2× in the tree — pedigree collapse
✦ A story has been written about this person: Present, Present, Present, Died: Valley Forge, Blue Licks, and the Two Fathers the Revolution Took — A Swiss-born elder dead in the winter camp, a militiaman killed ten months after Yorktown — and the two broken families that became one.
Life
- Born
- 1725 · Hallau, Schaffhansuen, Suisse
- Died
- Mar 1778 · Valley Forge, Chester, Pennsylvania, United States
Parents
Marriage & children
Records behind this page
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soldier record VA29279
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Fields as returned, verbatim: lastname Carpenter; firstname George; rank Private; ranktype Rank and File; state Virginia; regiment '1st Virginia State'; regiment_cmd 'Col George Gibson'; brigade "Muhlenberg's"; brigade_cmd 'BG Peter Muhlenberg'; division '5th'; division_cmd 'MG William Alexander'; company 'Capt Thomas Hamilton'; comm_dec77 Present; comm_jan78 Present; comm_feb78 Present; comm_mar78 DIED. The born, died, discharge and reference fields are all EMPTY.
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William and Mary College Quarterly vol. XIII, membership list no. 45
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Verbatim, with the two neighbouring entries included because they are what establish the meaning of the parenthetical number: "John Hetterich (Hedrick), Reformed (44), elder and wife Susanna, nee Hornung. GEORGE ZIMMERMANN, REFORMED ELDER (45), AND WIFE ANNA, NEE, SCHULTELI. Jacob Mueller (46), and wife Maria Barbara, nee Chrombohr. Frederick Stoll (Stull), and wife Charlotte, nee Ritter, (47) ..." READ THE NUMBERS CORRECTLY: 44, 45, 46 and 47 run consecutively across four SUCCESSIVE FAMILIES. They are the editor's list-item numbers, NOT ages. A first reading of this source took (45) for George's age and inferred a birth about 1717; that inference is WITHDRAWN and no birth year is entered from this document. WHAT THE ENTRY DOES ESTABLISH: the couple are named together in a contemporaneous congregation list; he is an ELDER; and the confession is REFORMED. The last of these matters - Schaffhausen is a Reformed canton, whereas the Salzburg emigrants of 1731-32 were LUTHERAN expellees bound for Georgia. So this single word contradicts the 'Salzburg' birthplace string the tree carries for [3315], George's father.
Research notes
Working notes from the research, kept verbatim — what was read, what it proved, what stays open.
Research note · 4 Aug 2026
AUDITED 2 Aug 2026 (rewritten later the same day - one argument in the earlier version was REFUTED; see the correction at the end). DIED IN SERVICE, VALLEY FORGE, MARCH 1778 - AND THIS IS NOW PROVEN BY RECORD, NOT BY DATABASE. [1] THE CERTIFICATE OF HIS OWN OFFICER: 'I hereby certify that George Carpenter and Daniel Delph, inlisted in the 1st Virg'a State Reg't in the spring of the year 1777 for Three years each, and died in the service before the expiration of the Three Years. - May ye 16th 1784, Elliot Rucker Lt', followed by 'Please deliver our Land Warrants ... John Carpenter / Mich'l Delph.' Held at the Library of Virginia, record alma990010936760205756, contents 'Certificate: Lieutenant Elliott Rucker | Voucher 1784', and in the Land Office Military Certificates. [2] THE COMMONWEALTH PAID ON IT: Brumbaugh, Revolutionary War Records I (1936) p. 333 - '3156 Carpenter, John (Reps.) - Carpenter, George - State Line', with Delph's consecutive 3157 at p. 337, issued together exactly as the joint 1784 letter asked. THE SON WHO CLAIMED WAS JOHN - one of the two sons of the unknown first wife - which is independently consistent with Conrad Carpenter's 1829 Lincoln Co. Ky. will calling George Jr. and John his HALF brothers. [3] THE FEDERAL SERVICE RECORD: NARA M881 (Compiled Service Records), NAID 141546290, 'Carpenter, George - Virginia - First State Regiment', 6 images, free and downloaded. Private, Capt. Thomas Hamilton's company, 1st Virginia State Regiment, Col. George Gibson. Pay cards: ENLISTED ABOUT 14 SEPT 1777 (paid for 16 days, 14 Sept-1 Oct), then Oct and Nov 1777 at 6 2/3 dollars per month. The decisive card reads 'Account of Money belonging to the Dead & Deserted of the Virginia 1st State Regiment, Commanded by Colo George Gibson ... Account dated March, 1778. Dead.' Final pay drawn by 'Jas Barbour', 24 April 1784, GBP 20.9.2. [4] DAR ANCESTOR A019433 matches the Valley Forge muster roll AT COMPANY LEVEL - 'CAPT THOMAS HAMILTON, 1ST VA STATE REGT', 'ANTE 3-__-1778 IN SERVICE' - and independently names the wife 'ANN SHUTLEY', i.e. Anna Schulteli. TWO STRICT READINGS THAT MUST NOT BE SMOOTHED. (a) The M881 card proves he was DEAD BY THE MARCH 1778 ACCOUNTING, not that he died IN March. NARA M246 remains the document for the exact day and it is NOT free - NAID 602384 states it was digitised by a commercial partner 'for a fee' and is free only in NARA research rooms. (b) THE TWO SOURCES DISAGREE ON THE ENLISTMENT: Rucker's 1784 certificate says 'the spring of the year 1777'; the M881 pay abstracts say about 14 September 1777. Prefer the pay records - contemporary regimental bookkeeping against a recollection written seven years later to support a land claim - but neither is written here as fact. A three-year enlistment from Sept 1777 would have run to Sept 1780, still consistent with 'died before the expiration of the Three Years'. THE REGIMENT, SETTLED FROM THE STATUTES: raised by the Virginia General Assembly (Hening vol. 9, Oct 1776) as one of three battalions 'on commonwealth establishment' - Hening's own term of art, and the clean discriminator from the Continental Line. Never absorbed; reduced out of existence by an act of Nov 1781. It joined Muhlenberg's brigade by Washington's General Orders of 7 Oct 1777: 'The state regiment from Virginia is to supply the place of the 9th regiment in Muhlenberg's brigade.' THE KENTUCKY HISTORICAL SOCIETY MARKER #1203 - which says the founders of Carpenter's Station were 'sons of George Carpenter, Sr., who died while serving with the First Virginia Regiment' - CONFLATES the 1st Virginia State Regiment with the 1st Virginia (Continental) Regiment. The conflation was easy because Col. Gibson really had been a captain in the 1st Virginia (Continental) in 1776. AND THE STATE-LINE WORRY DOES NOT BITE: Hening vol. 10 extends the bounty to 'troops on continental establishment ... and ... troops upon Virginia establishment', and provides that 'where any officer, soldier, or sailor shall have fallen or died in the service, his heirs ... shall be entitled to ... the same quantity of land as would have been due ... had he been living.' CORROBORATION FROM INSIDE THIS TREE: his son HENRY WAS BORN 12 MAY 1778, i.e. POSTHUMOUSLY - and the Peaked Mountain Church register (WMQ XIV p. 10) gives that exact date, baptising Henry with Salome and William together on 13 July 1783, five years late. ⛔ THE ARGUMENT STRUCK FROM THE EARLIER VERSION OF THIS NOTE. It claimed 'Muhlenberg's Brigade was raised from the Shenandoah Valley German community ... a reason to credit the identification rather than assume it.' THAT IS FALSE. The 8th Virginia was the Valley-German regiment and it was in SCOTT's brigade; the 'German Regiment' in Muhlenberg's was the Pennsylvania/Maryland German Battalion. Gibson's regiment was there because it replaced the 9th Virginia. The claim was used as CORROBORATION, which is why striking it matters: a false reason to believe a true conclusion survives every check aimed at facts. ⚠️ AND A RIVAL EXISTS IN THE CORPUS THAT MATTERS. There are ZERO rival George Carpenters in the military records - exactly one 'Carpenter, George - Virginia' in all of M881, with six Virginia JOHN Carpenters as the control proving that search returns same-name sets when they exist. BUT Wayland's Rockingham County claims list has a George Carpenter losing a gun at Jamestown in 1781, three years after our man died. Do not attach any Rockingham 'George Carpenter' record dated after 1778 without a discriminator. NO VALLEY FORGE MEMORIAL NAMES HIM, and no burial register exists or ever did - every burial order in Weedon's orderly book names an officer. That is a finished negative, not a gap. HE IS A DOUBLED ANCESTOR - father of both [733] Adam Carpenter and [1075] George Carpenter - so Owen descends from him twice, and Carpenter's Station in Lincoln Co., Ky. was founded by his sons. PLACE, AND WHY THE OLD STRING WAS NOT A FALSE EVENT: the death place formerly read 'Valley Forge, Springettsbury Township, York, British Colonia, Pennsylvania'. GNIS holds TWO VALLEY FORGES IN PENNSYLVANIA and a place authority matched the one in YORK County, then appended York's township. The encampment is in CHESTER County; corrected 2 Aug 2026. ⚠️ An internally contradictory place string is evidence of a GEOCODER matching failure, not of a false event - and this one had been queued as 'internally contradictory, therefore suspect', reasoning that would have discarded the best finding in the branch. NEXT DOCUMENTS: NARA M881 roll 910 (DAR's own citation); Priode, Abstracts of executor, administrator and guardian bonds of Rockingham County, Va., 1778-1864 (coverage opens 1778, so the 26 July 1779 bond - Rockingham Minute Book 1778-1786 p. 42, GBP 10,000, naming Ann, George Jr. and Adam as co-executors - falls inside it); Rockingham Will Book 1 for his own 1778 will, held so far only in abstract; and LVA State Pensions under 'Carpenter, George', since Hening vol. 9 p. 566 (Oct 1778) gave the widows of slain SOLDIERS, not only officers, half pay for life. See ancestry/db-write-queue.md and the three agent reports of 2 Aug 2026.AUDITED 4 Aug 2026 - BIRTH YEAR: the tree's ~1725 has no record behind it. Steinemann's Schaffhausen emigrant list (per carpenter-peaked-mountain-register-2026-08-02.md, agent-read, the passage NOT yet verified against the original volume) records 'ZIMMERMANN, JERG - Hallau (1744) / To Pennsylvania, with wife, two children, and one stepdaughter' - a household a man born ~1725 could not have headed at 19; and Hallau produced TWO emigrant 'Jerg Zimmer-' heads (1744 and 1751), so name+village does not identify him either way. Best independent estimate: born no later than 1735, possibly as early as 1720. THE FIELD IS DELIBERATELY UNCHANGED - the range is recorded here instead of inventing a value; the Hallau Reformed parish register (Kanton Schaffhausen) is the named decider. Approved by Owen 4 Aug 2026.
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